Episode #6: Susan Gold

Hugo: [00:00:00] Hey, dear listeners, viewers, wherever you are, welcome to another episode of the tracking happiness podcast, a show about overcoming struggles of mental health, or at least learning to live with them. Uh, and today I have Susan Gold with me here. Hi, Susan.

Susan: Hey, Hugo, it’s so nice to be here

Hugo: Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for being here. So, you’re from Montana, right?

Susan: By way of New York City and Los Angeles. Yeah, I’ve been reassigned to rural Northwest Montana. I could walk to Canada if I wanted to.

Hugo: so that borders Wyoming, right? That must be really remote,

Susan: it’s quite remote and it’s quite different from the major metropolitan cities that I lived in, but, um, the universe was broadcasting rather loudly, so I followed and here I am.

Hugo: Awesome. So yeah, so LA, New York, going from there to rural Montana, uh, in the Rocky mountains, I bet it’s, it’s beautiful.

Susan: It’s exquisite. It’s, it’s, [00:01:00] I really feel like, you know, I lived in cramped conditions, just mobbed with people for so long. And the cacophony was, was my norm. So to be here amongst this. expansive Big Sky. It is Big Sky. They call it Big Sky Country and it is. And actually, Hugo, live on the prairie. I thought if you

Hugo: Okay.

Susan: you move and you live in the forest.

But so grateful to be on the prairie because the wildlife is is very prevalent. There’s deer, there are elk in my backyard, there are

Hugo: Wow,

Susan: on hike, including a grizzly bear, which I haven’t seen yet, but I have encountered a moose and a black bear.

Hugo: that’s, that’s amazing. Yeah. So, so just to, just before we get started, I, I love, I love the States. Um, I had the amazing luck to be driving up to up north to Montana, actually from, from Wyoming, from Yellowstone up to Glacier National Park and crossed, [00:02:00] crossed the border to Canada, uh, to visit the Waterton Lakes National Parks.

Susan: I’m about an hour west of Glacier and

Hugo: yeah.

Susan: heaven on earth here. It’s like, it looks like the Nepali coast of Kauai out one side of my window. And then if I look in my rear sliders, it’s the Canadian Rockies and they look like the Swiss Alps and then in the front, it looks like Tuscany.

So I’m not doubting my reassignment. I think the universe knew exactly what it was doing. I had no intention of moving to Montana. It wasn’t even on my. Bucket list, Hugo, but, but it’s absolutely where I.

Hugo: Okay.

Susan: be.

Hugo: So it sounds like I’m going to have to ask that question later on. Like what got you to Montana? But first I’ll just start off easy. Um, so yeah, Susan, um, for the readers, for the listeners, for the viewers, uh, who are you, where are you from? Well, we know that now. Uh, what do you do and how are you doing?

Susan: Yeah. Well, I’m [00:03:00] doing great. I’m feeling good. Even with all this going on globally and the energy is shifting. I’m, I’m really doing my best just to roll with it and feel the hope in all of it and the transformation. I am from a very small town in central Pennsylvania. I grew up in a very chaotic, uh, Household.

Um, my father’s a genius astrophysicist, but he’s also to drink. You know, the whiskey bottle would uncork at 7 30 a. m. And my mother coped.

Hugo: in, in the morning, yeah. Oh geez, yeah.

Susan: glug, glug, glug, glug. I mean, he was far away from the subjects. He loved history and music, and he was an astrophysicist and had five kids way too soon.

He was a big Peter Pan and kid himself.

Hugo: Oh yeah.

Susan: my mother was left to pick it all up and carry the load. And her chance at higher education never came. And [00:04:00] she felt, um, the eternal victim, which she was. Um, but, uh, she just recreated her own brutal. Um, upbringing as a child, and she sued through overeating, compulsive overeating.

And back then they prescribed diet pills for that. So she was on speed, straight speed. And she also had mood swings that I believe she may have even been schizophrenic, Hugo. She could be incredibly loving, but then her mood would just switch. And she’d be beating me almost to the point where I’d be blacking out. Um,

Hugo: Oh yeah, so, so when was this in your, in your life? That was like childhood, uh, like formative years.

Susan: yeah, it was, I was the middle of five kids. I have a very different experience in that household. I was highly empathic, uh, very intuitive, could really, almost. telepathic. I was telepathic. I [00:05:00] could pick up full sentences and paragraphs and thoughts of the adults and would spit out what

Hugo: Oh yeah.

Susan: them say.

And it wasn’t quite welcome and got me into a lot of trouble. So I said, I saddled all that kind of intuitive ability, um, until I was an adult. And then the same red flags that I experienced in my own home, the abuse, the toxicity, the, the fighting, the violence that all started to surface in my, in my own young adulthood addictions.

Um, and that was the big red flag, Hey, I’m on the wrong track. I gotta,

Hugo: Yeah.

Susan: out. And that’s, that’s when I got help. I got help early.

Hugo: Oh wow, well, that’s, that’s a lot. Um. I’m looking for the words to take in as a, as a, as a child.

Um, To be able to, to navigate those feelings with your, with your mom.

Susan: I knew, yeah, I knew something was really wrong, but [00:06:00] I didn’t have anything to compare it to. And very young, probably 10 years old, I was planning and plotting how I was going to escape and get out. And I did leave the morning after I graduated from high school. And I always wanted to go to New York city. And I did end up there at 19. I created an internship from college and went back immediately after college.

Hugo: wow, yeah.

Susan: I worked, um, in the entertainment industry. That was my dream. Um, and I was known for matching celebrities to brands. The, I had been, um, you know, when you’re raised in an abusive household, abuse follows you, your self worth, your esteem, your value is is rather battered.

Hugo: Yeah,

Susan: um,

Hugo: never good enough.

Susan: yeah, I was very tenacious and I had goals. Um, but I had been sexually harassed in the workplace and I was actually training, um, [00:07:00] people, exercise training people on the side. And Barbara Walters, who’s a very famous interviewer and journalist, she was. I knocked on her door for our session and she took one look at me and she’s like, what’s going on with you?

And I told her, and she said, I’m coming to work with you this morning. We’re going to confront this man together. And I’m like, yeah, I’m okay. I’ll do it. um, I did confront my boss that day and he, fired me, um,

Hugo: Oh my.

Susan: on the doors. I went back to go get some things I needed. And Barbara offered me a job as an assistant to her then fiancé, who was running a big film distribution company.

And I said, you know what? I just, I can’t, I can’t do this. So I, I went on to match celebrities with brands and my first deal was to knock on the door of the factory and convince Andy Warhol, who was modern art master, to do a commercial for Pontiac that he didn’t really want to do.

Hugo: The car brand Pontiac.[00:08:00]

Susan: yeah,

Hugo: Yeah.

Susan: he had these pugs Hugo, these little dogs running around the studio and he could care less about why I was there.

I was yammering on about this commercial and then knew he was connected to those dogs and I could feel like with that empathic ability that I had tuned in on and

Hugo: Mm hmm.

Susan: in that household that I grew up in, I could feel his isolation. I could feel his desire to want to connect. And he was connecting to the dogs.

That’s, who he trusted. And finally he, he made eye contact with me in that meeting and said, now, really, why should I do this commercial? I said, because you can have the dogs in the shot with you, which I didn’t know was true or not. And he said, he said, okay, I’ll do it. I’ll

Hugo: was this uh, Achilles heel. You used it. Yeah, yeah,

Susan: I became known for matching celebrities to brands that led me into television and, and film, but [00:09:00] Even though I was successful on the outside and so driven, I was living from the outside in.

So getting all these accolades, trying to be perfect, to assuage these feelings on the inside of, of not being enough and so codependent, you know, I had to be in some kind of, relationship to feel whole and was always chasing eternally happiness because what really was happiness back then when you’re so programmed to achieve, you’re

Hugo: yeah,

Susan: as good as your last deal or the last TV show you produced or the last film you set up or

Hugo: yeah,

Susan: So ultimately, Um, I was led to go inside and really explore myself. I got clean when I was 25. I put down drink and drugs and I’ve been clean ever since. I just feel like that’s a real piece that I’m was [00:10:00] essential for me.

Hugo: yeah, yeah,

Susan: year struggle with clinical depression and really had to learn how to work with that because suicidal ideation was something that I was quite with.

I was six when I had the first real desire and even impulse. My mother caught me in the act. So I had to work with that. shoved the objects away that I was thinking about using to off myself. So

Hugo: yeah,

Susan: a long struggle with ideation, depression, and to really understand how to work with it and how to inside and find that inner child.

That’s been. Beaten and battered and bloodied

Hugo: yeah, oh wow,

Susan: respect her, learn to who she is, what, what that voice is, who she is, and to let her lead, let that intuitive piece lead and live from [00:11:00] that piece

Hugo: yeah,

Susan: esteem and value and worth from, from

Hugo: so

Susan: And that’s the authentic happiness for me.

Hugo: everything just to recap, everything that we’ve talked about was in the first 25 years of your life.

Susan: I’m pretty, pretty much so. Although I struggled with really. Really pulling that inner peace in and really trusting that’s. That’s my holy grail.

Hugo: Yeah.

Susan: been, that’s been decades to really understand that, you know, what I’ve experienced on this earth has been a precious gift and it has been for my soul evolution.

And there was a perfect storm because ultimately, um, the man that I met and fell in love with and really thought I’d be with forever. He was my greatest guru and teacher because he taught me that I was still looking. The outside in for acceptance and [00:12:00] approval and, um, that experience of our marriage dissolving. is what the real true impetus was. That’s when I finally got the solid footing and

Hugo: Okay.

Susan: to authentic happiness comes from the inside and, and knowing my, my beacon

Hugo: Yeah.

Susan: and understanding that, that this life, this earth is not for the faint of heart. This is a pretty tough I mean, honestly, this could

Hugo: Yeah.

Susan: the straight up ghetto of the solar system.

I’m not sure even compounded with all the beauty that you can find. But know, I think, I think I’ve, I’ve won my lottery ticket to be here. Um, I’ve got the battle scars and

Hugo: Yeah.

Susan: that I could stand up and see the preciousness them and come full circle to forgiveness. I mean, I love my family.

My mom’s passed, but [00:13:00] I, I have profound respect for her journey and what she’s been through. I have a relationship with my father. have great love for them. I mean, to be in a place to go through abuse, to go through neglect, to experience the abandonment. the remnants of that to work through it and then find forgiveness for it all and really drop it.

That’s like amazing because your energy just shifts into a new modality. I’m sort of living in a new zip code, literally and

Hugo: A mental zip code

Susan: Yeah.

Hugo: Jeez Yeah, so I’m, I’m just here listening. Just your story is so well, uh, rollercoaster like, and normally I go through these questions like, all right, what’s your struggle and how did this, how did you go from a to b to c, but You’ve basically answered all [00:14:00] my questions.

Um, I want to, I want to ask more obviously, but wow, I just want to take a breather and just say like, wow, you have, gone through a lot and to hear that you’ve come out on it, come out on the other end saying that you’re, you’re grateful with what you’ve experienced and now using it to, to, to live a fulfilled life of authentic happiness.

That is amazing. That is just great. Um, getting, getting goosebumps over your, um, So, yeah, I do have to improvise now a little bit to ask us some, some good follow up questions. I do have some, but

Susan: Is

Hugo: I,

Susan: is that difficult for you to do to improvise? Cause I know you were engineers are like quite.

Hugo: now you’re doing the asking, no, yeah, um, I, I, I said on this podcast before, I am a little bit of a, of a, of a scattered mind and I do sometimes go on and on [00:15:00] about stuff that, that. Well, it’s a little bit awkward, maybe a little bit raw, but hey, I kind of like it. So, improvisation, yeah. So you’re asking, is it hard for me to improvise, because I’ve been an engineer.

So you’ve done your, I’ve done my studies on you, and you’ve done yours on mine. So, um, Yeah, it can be a bit difficult. Yeah, I’m used to putting everything in a spreadsheet and then figuring it out from there. Um, now I don’t have a spreadsheet. So, yeah, um, but but if if you don’t mind, I do, I do want to ask or maybe maybe summarize a little bit.

So I have heard so far, um, abuse, um, from from your mother who had had her reasons, but you were the victim of of that very, Uh, stormy relationship, if I can call it that, then that led to a certain mindset [00:16:00] that one that you’re, you need to prove yourself. You dove into your career head first. And even though there was abuse there too, uh, that didn’t stop you from giving it your all.

Um, even though it, it came with, uh, alcohol and drug abuse. And then at some point there was this moment where a seemingly random person. saw you for what you were dealing with and was like, hey, uh, come here and have a talk with me. Um, I think that moment might have been like on a crossroad, like that, that type of moment that defines the rest of your life.

Did you experience it like that?

Susan: Yeah. I may not have known it at the time, but yeah, because I still look back on that moment and I always wonder what would have happened if I would have Taking her up on her offer, you

Hugo: Yeah.

Susan: would my life trajectory have changed, but I also look back and see a very brave soul. I mean, I was 25 in New York [00:17:00] city.

I had

Hugo: Oh, yeah.

Susan: months of income in, in my bank. I had just escaped an abusive relationship where the man held the purse strings. I’m embarrassed to say. And so I stood up to a lot. There’s no accident that that scenario, that, that series of, Of life issues was presented in the package that it was, you know, and that I picked the, the road that I did, maybe not the easier, softer way,

Hugo: No,

Susan: it’s, it’s definitely, it helped me then to face, you know, some of my life lessons. Absolutely. And I think one of the biggest life lessons that I’ve come here to work out this time, I’m sorry if I sound a little Southern California, Huey with all that, but

Hugo: no worries.

Susan: is to step up to the abandonment, the abandonment in within me, the fear of the abandonment was so core that I allowed [00:18:00] myself to hide. And I feel like now I’m finally, I’m finally stepping up and out and saying, here I am, warts and all, like, it takes balls to publish a book called toxic Family. Like, whoa! Yeah, let’s put that right out there.

Hugo: for, for someone who has been living her life trying to prove like, Hey, I’m worthy. Hey, am I, am I good enough, please let me know if I’m doing good or, or I will do better if not. Um, yeah, that, or at least that’s the impression that I’m getting. Uh, that’s such a huge step to go from where you came from to publishing a book like that to be able to tell about your experience.

I do want to get to that a little bit later, but, but just to be able to have you here on the podcast, just discussing this and you’re coming out on the other side. Um, yeah, well, I’m, I’m, I’m a broken record here, but man, that’s amazing. . Um, anyway, I, I kind of interrupted [00:19:00] you there. No.

Susan: that way, Hugo. No, I’m really appreciating the back and forth of the conversation. And I’m sensing there that I may be touching some kind of vulnerable point within you. I just feel like, yeah, there’s something’s coming up. I can feel it coming through the microphone and through the screen.

Hugo: Well, who knows? Who knows? Yeah. Well, well, anyway, you have me very impressed. And to, you know, normally you hear those moments that we just talked about, you know, that single moment that may have defined the rest of your life. I like, if I want to ask a question to my listeners or the viewers, like, if there’s a moment in that life, like, could you pinpoint such a moment?

Like for me personally. I don’t know, like, usually life is just a little trickle of small little moments that each has a little nudge in a certain direction, but it seems like yours was so massive in a way. [00:20:00] Uh, and it feels like there was just one chapter of the rollercoaster that you were on because you were fired by confronting your boss at the time.

And it didn’t sound like life got easier right away after that. So how much longer did it take before it did get easier?

Susan: You know what? I, I’ve been, uh, I’ve been such a type a and a fighter. I don’t think that it’s, gotten a lot easier until I was really solid my own inner being really like in touch with that inner guidance system. I call it the inner child, even though sometimes that makes me go, ick, you know, like, ick, I don’t have time for this inner child crap, you know? But it’s so, it’s so true that. That’s, that’s the solidity of me as a, as a human being. And once I really tapped into that and acknowledged her and respected her, that’s when my life got easier because I softened, I mean, I, I [00:21:00] didn’t, let out a lot of the, the storyline, but you know, like along with what I was doing professionally, I was also, you Serial marathoner. I was also Triathloning and when my body couldn’t take that anymore. I focused on Master swimming and even though I hadn’t been a swimmer as a kid within four years. I had a national ranking I was like getting trained by world record holders and Olympians like I was a very driven You know, person. And then I was a single mom raising, you know, my son from 10 forward who he’s 20 now.

He just graduated his college in three years, which is a year sooner and came out summa cum laude, which is almost a

Hugo: wow.

Susan: score and debt free, which is unheard of here in the States, you know, so like super, like, let’s get it all done, you know, and

Hugo: Yeah, yeah,

Susan: [00:22:00] um, you know, taking my house in Southern California down to the studs and revamping it once, you know, my ex departed and creating an income suite in the garage.

And, you know, so I could have half my mortgage and my taxes and my insurance all paid off, you know, like I’m a type A hustler, Hugo.

Hugo: yeah, yeah, yeah.

Susan: happiness was like, okay, yeah, maybe a glimpse, but I was

Hugo: Oh, yeah, yeah. Priority is just running, running, running, and happiness comes later. But if it doesn’t, that’s fine. You just got to keep running. And that’s all that matters, it sounds like. All right.

Susan: I had to, I had to be slowed down. here I was all these athletic feats. And then what happened was I could barely walk around the block. had a hip impingement. So that literally physically slowed me down and I had to learn how to live even more from within and to appreciate my own [00:23:00] being and to start to treat myself with

Hugo: so like, you’re talking about right at some point you were grounded and you found your inner child but what were steps that got you there? Like, like some people go through therapy or self care or exercise or are there some things that were monumental in taking you to that, to that place.

Susan: Um, I have to say that traditional therapy, the talk therapy, um, that helped me lay down a storyline and understand my history. But what really delivered the most profound changes at a cellular level, those were all somatic modalities. You know, I’ve been a long time meditator. Um, I’d gone on long, you know, week long, silent meditation retreats and, um, done all sorts of their screen therapy and, you know, like

Hugo: Yeah.

Susan: all [00:24:00] sorts of things, but it’s really going into my body and, and really exploring the pockets of, you know, what’s going on trauma held in my body because I respond through my body.

I’m very somatic in that way. and really going there and, and releasing that old trauma out of my body, that helped me slow down and, release some of that complex post traumatic stress that’s, circulates and then understanding the cycle and getting out of the big city and coming to a place where, you know, the birds, you hear them loudly and you see the grass moving and the wind and you see the cloud formations moving and the snow caps on the mountains.

And, you know, I feel like I’ve been led here so I can finally. I didn’t Americans don’t know how to rest. Like, you know, we go on vacation and it’s packed and we come back more exhausted, you know, after your 10 days, I

Hugo: Oh yeah.

Susan: you know, [00:25:00] you’re expected to go for a month and, you know, eating is just like, get it done.

And, you know, Europe, it’s like, savor it.

Hugo: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Susan: grade and Billy Fritz. I had to have somebody’s attention. I had had to have some kind of acknowledgment. I took a seven year hiatus and then I have one date in that period because it was set up and I had to go and I saw the red flags immediately.

He’s a big Academy Award winning director and when he said, you know, why don’t you just meet me at the house and we’ll go to the awards together, you know, from the house. And I was like, yeah, okay, not the guy you want. But I took a class online. Um, I think it was during the, the big, uh, pandemic when we were all on lockdown and Met a, met a man and we were friends.

He had [00:26:00] lost his wife to cancer and the universe just like, we didn’t want, we didn’t want a romantic relationship. But again, the universe had other plans and like just drug us together like magnets, both kicking and screaming. And he’s really taught me what it means to live. Like from the heart. We don’t know that here.

Like we’re taught you go out and achieve, achieve and work hard and memorize the exam and and pass and like figure it out and make it happen. And it’s not like breathe and what feels good to me. What feels good to me? What makes me happy? Like, I couldn’t tell you if I wanted pasta or Chinese food for dinner.

It’s just like, I got no clue. So it’s like, helped me slow down and, and learn all that stuff and, and, you know, soften a bit. So that, that helped as well, finding the right to reflect happiness and [00:27:00] wellbeing.

Hugo: Wow. Um, you’re, you keep catching me with my jaw on the floor here. I’ve, I feel like I’m asking, uh, Like a starter question like what’s two plus two and then you start answering the question and you end up explaining Einstein’s law of relativity It’s it’s amazing But I feel like there’s more of a spiritual side to, um, to your journey that really helped you find your footing and find your place on, on this floating rock.

Um, I, I kind of get the idea. Am I in the ballpark?

Susan: You’re totally in the ballpark and I refrain from using that word spirituality because it’s become such a buzzword

Hugo: Oh yeah. Yeah.

Susan: want to package or

Hugo: Yeah.

Susan: But

Hugo: It can be a lot of things, so, like, it can be believing in some thing that cannot be proven, or it can also be like, alright, hey, I’m just handing over the reins of my life to [00:28:00] whatever is out there and, and going with the flow, or it can be something totally different, and, and that’s kind of the beauty of it, but yeah, it’s gotten a bad rep, uh, a little bit, yeah.

So, so what does it mean for you? Like, you’re, you’re refraining from using the word spirituality. How would you call it?

Susan: I, I think I’ve come to this earth a different being. I’ve always like listened, not with my mind, but listen to others with my heart and spoken back with them from my heart because I can intuit so much, just like I intuited Andy Warhol was isolated and feeling sad and

Hugo: with the dogs felt like two hours ago that, that we talked about that already.

Susan: I’m trying to keep to the 30 minutes Hugo. I’m trying to encapsulate everything. But, but I think just that ability, that empathic ability, um, is, is a big piece [00:29:00] of my spirituality. And I also, having experienced what I have, I have a great container for compassion.

Hugo: Great. So, so being a little bit devil’s advocate here, like I’m a spreadsheet guy. So if I don’t, if I cannot use a formula to prove something, I don’t believe it. So as you told your, like your, your, your skills at recognizing what someone’s going to say or how a situation is going to go.

Um, it feels like that is kind of a, well, to me, it feels like that’s kind of a result of your instincts. That’s been developed through your youth, uh, unconsciously, like an extra skill that you developed as a kid by going through the stuff that you went through.

Susan: I don’t think I’d be here today talking with you, Hugo, I didn’t have that ability as a kid.

Hugo: Yeah.

Susan: helped me survive what I lived through

Hugo: Oh yeah.

Susan: then I shut that down [00:30:00] tight and I drank over it, right? I covered it up.

Hugo: Yeah.

Susan: opposite direction and then it was decades of uncovering it. And even, you know, when I started meditating in my mid thirties, I got so clear and connected with that.

I’d come off meditation retreats and that telepathic ability was, was back again. spades and I would shut it down because it was so scary. But now I’m not as afraid. It’s more natural. are times when, you know, I’m really on and can just feel it. And, and people, know, clients that they, they, they kind of wonder, how did you know that?

How did you just, it’s natural. So. I just go with it now and I think it’s happening for a lot of us, you know, as the,

Hugo: Yeah. Yeah.

Susan: rise and vibration as the Shuman residence escalates, as the solar energies are coming through, which are all scientifically proved. Yeah, we’re all sort of evolving our consciousness. [00:31:00] Is evolving and that our intuition and our great skill set as human beings that have been denied, know, pushed down, retracted, um, repressed. I think it’s, it’s all coming out

Hugo: Yeah.

Susan: say.

Hugo: Yeah, that’s beautiful. All right. So, um, I’m, I’m having trouble trying to contain this. Uh, like, I feel like we can talk for hours. Um, it’s a common theme on the podcast, but I do want to try to keep it a little bit concise. So I’m just going to skip all the way to the end here.

So how are you doing now? Uh, it feels like you’re using what you’ve experienced and what you’ve learned and your place on the earth to do something good and share it with others. Is that right?

Susan: So oftentimes when you come out of a, of a toxic system, um, like I have, your purpose is [00:32:00] repressed. It’s confused. You’re not able to act on it. And I feel like finally I have, I mean, I was very privileged to have the career that I did, um, in the entertainment industry, working with household names and, um, And it looks flashy from the outside, but I feel like I’m, I’m finally living my purpose and I’m helping other people that have experiences or just stuck in toxic loops, you know, unscramble all that and get clear on purpose and passion so they can ultimately live in exceptional freedom

Hugo: Yeah.

Susan: on the planet and, and then help others do the same.

Hugo: Yeah. Yeah. So it becomes a snowball of goodness and, and sharing wisdoms and. Is that something that if a listener or a viewer is watching this and feels like, Hey, I gotta, I gotta speak to Susan, is that something that you do? Is this something you do now as a profession or

Susan: thanks for asking Hugo. [00:33:00] So if somebody feels moved and they want to have a conversation, just go to susangold. us and we can have a chat. also, um, A free course on my site that’s pretty popular. A lot of people don’t understand they may have come from a toxic family. They just have issues in adulthood and aren’t sure why.

So there’s a free course called Signs of a Toxic Family there. I have a YouTube channel where I share my own personal experiences and inspiration.

Hugo: Oh,

Susan: others that’s gaining in popularity. I’m excited to say

Hugo: nice.

Susan: And, um, and then I do do one to one mentorship, um, with people. It’s all at SusanGold.

us and, and thanks for asking. And there’s the book too.

Hugo: The book, Toxic Family, yeah. I’ll be sure to leave it all in the footnotes, wherever, the comments, the description, or wherever this is posted. Go down below this video and you’ll find it, probably. Um, so

Susan: Before we go though, [00:34:00] Hugo, I do want to. I do want to thank you for your bravery and following your heart and tracking happiness and all you’ve done there and then what you’re doing with the podcast now. for those of you that don’t know, Hugo is a musician and you can find him on Spotify. His album is beautiful.

He’s very talented and he’d be the last one to share that with you. So go check it out.

Hugo: I’m speechless. Yeah, yep, this is not something that I ever expected to be happening on a podcast like this. Yeah, um, geez now I have to talk about it too I guess, um, uh, in my free time I do play a little bit of guitar and uh, I do sing when no one’s around. And, uh, at some point I thought like, Hey, can I get on Spotify?

Well the answer is yes. And so I’m now permanently on Spotify. And if you are able to find me, then, uh, you’ll be able to [00:35:00] really, um, Confused Spotify’s algorithms because they’re like, Hey, why are people suddenly listening to this? Forsaken music anyway. Well, um, I, I really appreciate the kind words.

Uh, Susan, that’s, that’s so awesome. Wow. This is episode six of the podcast, I feel, and this has already been so fulfilling. It’s been such a wild ride already. And this episode as well. It’s been amazing, Susan. So, um, thanks for this conversation.

Susan: Thanks for creating the space, Hugo. And thanks to your listeners.

Hugo: So yeah, normally I end this off really awkwardly, but it feels like I I’m now on a roll where I can land this ending quite decently. So I’m gonna try. Um, so yeah, dear listeners or viewers, if you do want to reach out to Susan, uh, do drop her an email or visit her website. I’m sure you’ll be able to find lots of interesting, interesting stories because it feels like we’ve only covered the tip of the iceberg here.

Well, I do want [00:36:00] to leave with one lazy question now, though. It feels like this is sort of like a cheat code for podcasters. Was there something I should have asked you, Susan? Or that you wanted to share that I haven’t asked you about?

Susan: Heck no, or it would have come out in this intuitive conversation, Hugo. But I love that you asked the question.

Hugo: So nothing. Okay. Well, all right. Well, that’s it then. So I still, I still don’t know how to, uh, to properly, hit, the button that stops it recording. So, um, just for the listeners and the viewers. Yeah, I hope you like this conversation again, do, uh, reach out to Susan if you have any questions or want to have a talk and see you in the next one.

Bye bye.

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